User talk:Jon Awbrey
[edit] Your logic pages
Hi Jon, can you explain your creation of various logic-related articles on this wiki? Obviously, the Semantic Web involves logic and inferencing to some extent, but none of the information you've added here seems directly related to the Semantic Web; it seems more like general background information that might be better placed on, say, Wikipedia. Any thoughts? Yaron Koren 18:59, 16 May 2010 (CEST)
It will take a while longer to lay down the basic syllabus. Right now I'm focusing on the relationships among the various topics and how to integrate them better. Things should take off in several novel directions after that. Logical graphs give us an effective way to represent logical propositions in link data structures. Relation theory will be developed in sufficient generality to give us a handle on n-place relations, especially the sorts of triadic relations that we need to analyze semiotic webs of relationship. But it will take some time and a lot more work. Jon Awbrey 23:14, 16 May 2010 (CEST)
- Well, why not have only the "novel" stuff here, and restrict the basic stuff to links to Wikipedia? Yaron Koren 15:05, 17 May 2010 (CEST)
There are several reasons for doing it this way:
- One of the things I've noticed over the past ten years on the web is that people have become very parochial about the sites they consider their home stomping grounds, and they don't follow up outside sources or even seem to tolerate different formats as much as they used to. The downsides of that are numerous, but one of the compensating upsides is that the same initial content tends to develop in diverse directions in different web neighborhoods. Still, it serves the growth of knowledge to keep the developing strands in some sort of coordination with each other, however loose. So I came up with the idea of "peer nodes" as a way of trying to do that.
- Even the most basic materials will have to be developed in ways that run outside the self-imposed boundaries of a project like Wikipedia. "Been there, done that", as they say.
- What I have in mind here is oriented more toward development, innovation, and participatory learning than is possible at Wikipedia. I am still holding out some hope for Wikiversity Beta as a potential peer node, but that is still up in the air at this time.
— Jon Awbrey 15:48, 17 May 2010 (CEST)
- This "peer nodes" thing strikes me as very odd. I haven't heard of people not wanting to click on links to other sites (especially not Wikipedia), but, even if that were true: so what? It's their loss. This seems to me like fighting irrational behavior with irrational duplication of information. Yaron Koren 17:43, 17 May 2010 (CEST)
Yes, an old time web surfer like me finds it odd, too, but I'm just telling you what I've observed over the long haul, more and more in recent years. There are definite trends toward "site ethnocentrism" and "site xenophobia" that keep people from participating in diverse environments.
At any rate, it's not irrational redundancy if there are good reasons for it, and I see several benefits to developing logical description and reasoning capacities in a distributed way. Jon Awbrey 17:56, 17 May 2010 (CEST)
